Neverside

I am not willing to help out with Neverside if things go towards drupal. Hell, if it goes towards Drupal, I'm leaving... Neverside is and was unique, moving to drupal would change that entirely. It would make Neverside just like any other site.

That's your call. If you feel you need to leave, then we'll be sorry to see you go. I would rather have you here. I've made it public knowledge for over a month now that Drupal is the path I've chosen after extensive research and consideration. Drupal is highly flexable and extensible, vBulletin is powerful and mature forum software, and both are passionately developed, documented, and supported by thousands of talented individuals.

I have said it before, and I will say it again..... I would like to get on with building the community, not the software to run it. The core developers of NeverAPI, who no longer were able or interested in continuing in that position were against it as well at first (and we did give it serious and extensive thought and discussion), but that statement brought the reality of the situation into focus, and they unanimously agreed. Somewhere along the line, Neverside accidentally became all about the development of this new custom system, and while that was cool and was exciting for those directly involved in the development, the rest of everyone else was left out. An innumerable number of broken promises later, the community is all but gone.

Things are going to change, and I believe it will be for the best. I don't think the custom software our site runs off of is or should ever be at the heart of who we are -- it is merely the interface for us to use and interact with our friends and colleagues in our pursuit of art and creativity. I do want that interface to be excellent and to not hinder art and communication in any way, but the moment the tool becomes more important than the people, things have gone in the wrong direction.

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Dave,

I sent you an email. I'm very exciting about the future of Neverside and I will gladly support you and help you, regardless of which direction you go iIn terms of software, layout, etc)

-Jordan

RingPull - its very sad that you actually base why you are part of a site by what its run by! Again, I can only express on what AC has said.

NeverAPI can come later, its a project that the <strong>Neverside Community</strong> can look at re-starting once we have a stable and active atmosphere.

Ringpull, like Lucifel said, that's idiotic to determine your activity on a site based on its backend. I see no logic in that whatsoever.

Dave, I'm looking forward to seeing what's going to be done and am glad you've made the decision to go with a predeveloped backend. Also, I keep meaning to mess around with the PSD of the new design, but I haven't found time with my new job; usually when I get back from work I'd rather play a game or something. So thus haven't been able (or I guess willing, for lack of a better term) to tweak it like I had hoped.

NeverDev.com - Does anyone else find the domain rather ironic?

Great update. I'll shoot you a PM Dave.

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Excellent. I'll start reading up on Drupal immediately. I want to help in any way possible.

A new look and feel, better functionality and features. What's not to like about where this is headed?
It's not like we're selling out or something ringpull. TF went to something worse than it needed to be, NS, in my opinion. This is why a lot of people left. Everyone has lives of there own and this community, while I love it, doesn't seem to be near as important as the things that go on outside the realm of the internet.

Jobs, school, and trying to develop NS WHILE trying to have fun and enjoy yourself in the process can be a mess. I've tried juggling work and school and that alone is enough sometimes to make you feel bad.

Instead of thinking of what NS couldn't be, why not uplift everyone's feelings and make them excited about something new, that's already been developed, and all it needs is our look, feel, functionality, and features, and we are good to go. This is the way we will get our community higher than TF or NS ever was.

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Originally posted by Heri:

Ringpull, like Lucifel said, that's idiotic to determine your activity on a site based on its backend.

Heh, not really. Besides, that's just my opinion which is obviously not worthy of any respect here at Neverside where the far marjority of users are up on their high horses.
I'm off, might be back in a few months...

The only one on a high horse here is you, ringpull, refusing to stay at Neverside simply based on the software it will run on. That is being snooty. Also, you are one of many. Get frustrated all you want that we don't lay things out according to your plans, but this is the direction we've chosen. Your threats of leaving will have no effect on that matter whatsoever, whether we'd like you to stay or not.

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I think you guys are being too hard on ringpull. I somewhat agree with him - when I signed onto this site I was ready for a unique environment, a replacement for deviantArt as Locke put it before the site had launched. Since when did we lose sight of this, why isn't that still the plan? I know things change, but we're just going to throw away all of the development that has been put into this site and start over with an already made system that every other site uses? Thats a bit of a downgrade.

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Kanidre. Explain to me how the backend will have any effect over the integrity of the community. How would you know the difference? How many of people @ DeviantArt actually took the time to realize what backend code they were using? It's all about the people, the features, funtionality, look & feel that are what people will see on a day to day basis. That alone will separate ourseles from DeviantArt tremendously.

First impressions are always the best when one visits a community. This would bring all those things I say into play. What is the point where a person will choose us over deviantart? Deviantart has content, it has content, and functionality, the content comes from the users, if we were to advertise NS today, I don't think it's help that much. If it were a new look with better functionality, it'd get a lot of talk, we can even put something on digg after advertising so we could get even more ppl to go here.

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Hey Dave, I have been peeking around here for about 4 years, between a very busy life. I myself, think that moving forward with the development of your site is awesome! I miss having all the activity in the forums like back in the tf days.

I'm glad you have made a solid decision and chosen a direction : )

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Originally posted by kanidre:

I somewhat agree with him - when I signed onto this site I was ready for a unique environment ... Since when did we lose sight of this, why isn't that still the plan? I know things change, but we're just going to throw away all of the development that has been put into this site and start over with an already made system that every other site uses? Thats a bit of a downgrade.

Kanidre - Drupal may be a better move? Because do you know why? Its an open source project, its been documented and it works right out of the box. We can get developers onto creating hacks and modules with ease for Neverside, not worring about if they will or wont work with the API.

The community (Well, from what I can tell) have never lost the thought of NS's unique enviroment. And I believe that the NeverAPI may (Well it should) make a stable return, but im not too sure. But its never the 'software' (or so to speak) that makes the community unique, its the community, and what OMPHF we put into it.

Who said anything about throwing the othe API out? Dave, wants to the community sorted and working. I'm sure all of us want a 'working' neverside.

ringpull that's like saying you won't drink milk because it was milked from a cow with brown spots.

god knows like is hard enough. the people who develope this site have lives with many obligations.

by the sound of your comment though I'd say that you probably don't.

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